The Unforgiving60
S1E22- Conversations with Mandela … and Subsequent Corporate Combat - Sans Tattoo

S1E22- Conversations with Mandela … and Subsequent Corporate Combat - Sans Tattoo

July 17, 2019

From bouncer to the boardroom. ‘Sans Tattoo’ is an ex-soldier and former bouncer who designed the fighting system that was taught to Nelson Mandela’s personal bodyguard.

But that’s the short version of a longer story.

In order to get there Sans dealt with months of rejection. He was out of money, but not out of belief, when he seized on one small opportunity. His fighting system has been used by many police and military units including the US FBI and 22 SAS (UK).

This interview is full of philosophical goodness. San’s recounts his interactions with President Mandela, and how he uses his knowledge, skills and experiences as a bouncer in his current career as a highly regarded professional speaker.

And unlike a lot of ex-Bouncers, Sans has studied post-graduate law and taught conflict resolution strategies to executives on five continents. Sans has shared the speaking stage with major identities that include former Australian Prime Minister John Howard, Olympic Gold Medallist Lauren Burns, and Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak.



Sans blends humour, hard facts and practical tools anyone can apply to reduce conflict and build trust. He also shares his resilience model with us that provides a toolkit on how to deal with the everyday stressors that we all confront in the ‘age of outrage’.

 ‘The common thread of successful people is discipline’- Sans Tattoo

 Intelligence Summary (INTSUM)

  • 2:30- Which is more difficult- being on a nightclub door or speaking to a corporate audience ?
  • 4:05- Sans’ endearing memories of Africa
  • 7:11- Dealing with rejection… and overcoming it
  • 10:12- ‘Entrepreneur’ by another name (in 1994)
  • 14:20- Being receptive to ritual dissent
  • 16:30- An anecdote about Nelson Mandela
  • 19:05- San’s first meeting with Nelson Mandela
  • 7 things you don’t know about Nelson Mandela (via BBC): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-22006386
  • 21:50- Nelson Mandela’s advice on what a child owes a parent
  • 23:45- On stoicism
  • 28:10- Using combat techniques to deal with fear
  • 30:45- Sans outlines his ritual recitation before each keynote
  • 32:20- The importance of narrative and storytelling for leaders.
  • 34:26- Aesops Fable on video for kids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFv0qs60KQ4
  • 35:55- What are the secrets to communicating a good message?
  • 41:10- Education v Entertainment… which do you need?
  • 45:10- The evolution of the human species into a goldfish (our decreasing attention span)
  • Time Magazine Article on Attention Span: https://time.com/3858309/attention-spans-goldfish/
  • 49:05- The Goldfish Series of Questions (Quick Questions/ Quick Answers)
  • 51:45- San’s Resilience Model (….. get your pens out!)
    • Mind
    • Body
    • Social
    • Global
  • 1:00:20- Is Sans Tattoo really Sans Tattoo?

 

Website & Contact

www.sanstattoo.com.au

www.celebrityspeakers.com.au

https://www.linkedin.com/in/sans-tattoo-17a778187/

 

Music by The Externals available on Spotify

 

 

 

S1E21- The Entrepreneur’s Entrepreneur: From Little Things… with Phil HSC

S1E21- The Entrepreneur’s Entrepreneur: From Little Things… with Phil HSC

July 4, 2019

This episode is for anyone who dreams big …. And then wants to build that dream from scratch. It’s for anyone wanting to tenaciously solve a problem. This episode is for entrepreneurs and start-ups ….. and anyone working in a café wearing a hoodie! 

Phil Hayes- St Clair (HSC) is a career entrepreneur. With a shortened first career in the military, Phil has made his career turning kitchen table ideas into reality. Mentoring dozens or entrepreneurs himself, Phil also  teaches entrepreneurship to MBA candidates at Australia’s leading business school, the Australian Graduate School of Management at UNSW.

With a Bachelor of Science (Microbiology) from QUT and an MBA from AGSM, today Phil is CEO & Co-Founder of DROP Bio, a direct-to-consumer biotechnology venture. He is a Member of the Board of Directors at Sangui Bio and an Advisor at the BlueChilli HealthTech Accelerator for Southeast Asia.

Here's to start-ups! And here's how!

Seize your moment. Latch onto that chance!

Fill your Unforgiving Minute!

 

Intelligence Summary (INTSUM)

 

  • 02:45: The Early Years – Phil at Ben go to School.
  • 05:15: How Tim gets amused.
  • 08:15: How and why Phil got started as an entrepreneur … and why he didn’t give up when he failed the first time.
  • 11:00: About failing and moving on.
  • 15:15: The #Entrepreneur hashtag… isn’t it just #SmallBusiness?
  • 16:35: What you need to start! And scaling.
  • 19:30: What the motivation and enticement for being an entrepreneur?
  • 21:35: The critical importance on wanting to solve big problems.
  • 24:59: Why failure is necessary.
  • 28:00: Enticing capital into your start-up
  • 30:21: What new industries, sector or disciplines are investors looking to?
  • 31:45: Venture capital in the US versus Australia
  • 35:15: Making good entrepreneurs and celebrating successes (even if small)
  • 40:20: Phil tests Ben and Tim on their entrepreneurial skills inside the Unforgiving60 podcast:
    • Have you set yourselves up to learn quickly?
    • How would you rate yourselves on marketing and distribution?
    • Have you built a community around the U60 podcast brand?
  • 47:40: Tim (and Ben) throw down the challenge to Hamish and Andy!
  • 48:19: Having fun! ‘Humour is a free circuit breaker’- Phil HSC
  • 52:15: Quick Questions/ Quick Answers to Phil
    • What do you do for fun?
    • What’s your definition of success?
    • Definition of happiness?
    • Any sources of inspiration?
    • How does one become mentored by Phil HSC?
    • Why are you running in a weight vest?
    • What sort of writing does Phil do?
    • How can I give a shout out of encouragement to someone?
  • 57:45: Wider ramblings and other nonsense
    • What it’s like to meet Tim (from Ben)
    • The challenge (redux)

 

Website & Blog

https://philhsc.com  

Podcast: Founder to Founder

Music by The Externals

 

** Opening Comments the Podcast by Lucy (age 13)

@RV8- On Jess Dane, Greg Wallace, Andrew Leigh’s Interview of Ben,  Art and Playing Music on Operations

@RV8- On Jess Dane, Greg Wallace, Andrew Leigh’s Interview of Ben, Art and Playing Music on Operations

June 28, 2019

Welcome to RV8!

Reflections on Jess Dane, 'Motorsports IS for Girls' .... and about authentic leadership as it trades off to the 'theatre of leadership'.

Greg Wallace, building 'More than Just a Surfboard'. Generosity of spirit and energy.

Then Ben's reflection on his favourite guest- himself! .... As he is interviewed by Andrew Leigh, MP.

And Tim begs forgiveness in using the audio of Ben's band playing on operations. Wider reflections on music and Ben recording a song in the bathroom of one of Saddam Hussein's palaces in Iraq. 

Lastly, some discussions on art and therapy.

 

Reference:

https://www.armyart.org 

 

* Music by The Externals.

Special Episode- On SAS Leadership, Elite Fitness and Why Specialisation is for Insects- Ben Pronk, DSC Interviewed by Andrew Leigh, MP (via The Good Life Podcast)

Special Episode- On SAS Leadership, Elite Fitness and Why Specialisation is for Insects- Ben Pronk, DSC Interviewed by Andrew Leigh, MP (via The Good Life Podcast)

June 20, 2019

This episode is a reciprocal interview where Ben is interviewed by Andrew Leigh, MP on his podcast The Good Life. You will will remember Andrew from our episode: 'The Tale of Two Andrews'.

Ben talks with Andrew about entering the Army, SAS Selection Course and broader life in the Unit as well as fitness and a slice of business. And of course, why specialisation is for insects. Also some beautiful reflections by Ben on what is important in life.

AND! In some Bonus Material: Tim also shares some audio from the battlefields of the Middle East that is relevant to Ben. Listen until the end of the episode.

 

S1E20- More Than Just a Surfboard! Greg Wallace- Building Surfboards but Rebuilding People

S1E20- More Than Just a Surfboard! Greg Wallace- Building Surfboards but Rebuilding People

June 14, 2019

How do you know when you are at your very lowest? Well, Greg Wallace has probably been lower. As a troubled youth, he realised that his journey was full of evil energy which would likely lead him either to jail ….. or death.

Greg tells us the story of how he rebuilt himself with purpose from this point. And how he committed to be the best person that he could be. Greg discovered his passion was building surfboards. But not any surfboard ..... wooden surfboards- that perform better in the water than their fibreglass alternatives. He also realised that in teaching people to make surfboards he could apply philosophies that he believed in and loved. But in turn, those people building boards with him, also realised that the surfboard was only a small part of the journey.

Incredibly well read, Greg also shares insights in life, balance and outlook. There is plenty of reflection.

There is no true happiness without struggle. And this episode certainly has that.

 

 

Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) 

Bodhi Tree Surf: https://www.bodhitreesurf.com.au

Bodhi Tree Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bodhitreesurf/

Coming Soon: Connected By:  www.connectedby.org 

 

** As always music by ‘The Externals’, Birds of a Feather – The Externals music is available on Spotify.

*** Thanks to Drew for the connection to Greg. You had to prompt and prod us .... and we thank you for your persistence! 

 

S1E19- Motorsports IS for Girls! Jessica Dane- Red Bull Holden Racing Team & Triple Eight Race Engineering

S1E19- Motorsports IS for Girls! Jessica Dane- Red Bull Holden Racing Team & Triple Eight Race Engineering

June 7, 2019

Jessica Danes is a force for women in Motor Sports. A granddaughter of one of the founding members of the British SAS and daughter of Roland Dane, Jess is forging her own career and ignoring all doubters and critics.

Her first foray into motorsports was working in the Triple Eight Race Engineering Team gear box shop as a sub-assembly mechanic! She was acutely aware that she was building the brakes that would need to make a V8 supercar stop on a dime. Enjoying being out of her comfort zone, Jess then moved into a marketing, media and PR role in the Red Bull Holden Racing Team/ Triple 8 Race Engineering. She talks how she managed negativity on social media.

Jess talks about the business of motorsports and her commercial role. The franchise, the team and its leadership. She gives fascinating insights into the role of drivers and other technical experts in the ‘team’s leadership’.

Jess talks about gender disparity - and why it exists in motor sports - and more broadly - and indeed what she says makes great practical sense. Parents and teachers take note!

Not being content with her current commercial role in Triple Eight she is also the Chairperson of the Australian Women in Motor Sport Commission, which has been designed to provide a voice for women in motorsport. And not being content with all that- Jess is also studying law!

An amazing human being- Jess is breaking all stereotypes and ignoring everything except high performance – Jess’s insights in this episode are inspiring. She coins a phrase when asked about her myriad of challenges- ‘I don’t think there was ever anything I thought I couldn’t do’.

 And we will simply leave you with that!

 

 

Intelligence Summary (INTSUM)

About Red Bull Holden Racing: http://www.redbullholdenracing.com/team/

 

- Music by The Externals

@RV7- On Matt Hall, the 2nd Battlefield, Supposedly Irrelevant Factors and Recent Travel

@RV7- On Matt Hall, the 2nd Battlefield, Supposedly Irrelevant Factors and Recent Travel

June 5, 2019

Welcome to the RV!

In this RV we reflect on the episode with Matt Hall, Ex RAAF F18 Fighter Pilot and now Red Bull Air Race Pilot.

We discuss feedback we have received about the episode on 'the 2nd Battlefield' (of Business!) And the application of the Principles of War on the battlefields of business.

Then, some more information on Richard Thaler and Supposedly Irrelevant Factors (SIFs).....eg: Why we continue to eat dessert when we are not hungry!? ..... And why we travel to buy running shoes but not a car!?

Why we should avoiding simplification and also be comfortable with being imprecise.

Lastly, we talk recent travel to Washington DC (Ben) and Ho Chi Minh City (Tim). What's going on in those places.

AND, music from the Externals to finish.

Don't forget to fill you unforgiving minute today! 

Thanks for listening!

 

 

S1E18- (Extremely!) Top Gun- Matt Hall- Australia’s (Only) Elite Red Bull Air Race Pilot

S1E18- (Extremely!) Top Gun- Matt Hall- Australia’s (Only) Elite Red Bull Air Race Pilot

May 30, 2019

Matt Hall has been described as the ‘best pilot on the planet’. Could you make precision decisions while travelling at 450 km/h and pulling 12G. Matt does .... routinely. 

Matt is an ex Air Force F-18 Hornet Pilot and Fighter Combat Instructor and is now a Red Bull Air Racer.  He is an elite athlete, business owner and father. 

In this episode, Ben and Tim discuss Matt’s flying history, including in the F-18 Hornet and also with the US Air Force on combat operations in an F-15 Eagle. We discuss why Matt left behind his Air Force Fighter Combat Instructor career and how & why he got into being a Red Bull Air Race pilot.

The Red Bull Air Race is the Formula 1 of flying. It features the world’s best pilots in the world's fastest motorsport competition that combines speed, precision and skill. Using the fastest, most agile, lightweight race planes, the pilots hit speeds of over 400km/h while enduring forces of up to 12G as they navigate a low level slalom track marked by 25-metre-high, air-filled pylons.

And what about teamwork in the individual sport of Red Bull air racing? Matt discusses that too.

Hang on to your seats…. This episode will take you over the edge of what is known about human performance.

Amazing!

 

Intelligence Summary (INTSUM)

  • 2:20- Ben’s Audio Association Game for Matt
  • 4:20- Matt’s early flying days
  • 6:10- Matt’s total hours…. And why that doesn’t matter! (take note: Malcolm Gladwell)
  • 9:20- Into Air Force…. Habit Patterns and Flying Training
  • 10:55- Matt’s Air Force Resume….. Is he just a natural?
  • 12:20- About the Air Force’s Fighter Course
  • 15:00- Matt on thinking faster than the jet is moving
  • 17:10- Matt on transitioning out of being an Air Force Fighter Pilot
  • 19:20- What is Red Bull Air Racing?
  • 20:20- About the Red Bull Aircraft
  • 22:10- Comparing Formula 1 Cars, F18 Hornets and Red Bull Aircraft
  • 22:51- How important is teamwork?
  • 25:00- Flying, risk and danger
  • 26:40- Matt on having a wing strike during a race. And here’s the footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkwKqD9ylLo
  • 28:30- Matt’s parachuting career
  • 29:20- How Matt deals with failure
  • 33:00- On routine.
  • 37:40- The toll on the body as an elite pilot (athlete)
  • 39:10- What’s needed to get to the top of the Red Bull Air race podium
  • 40:15- Matt on ‘Luck’
  • 41:20- What keeps Matt grounded?
  • 43:00- What makes Matt go always a little further?
S1E17- The 2nd Battlefield! Applying the Principles of War to the Battlefield of Business

S1E17- The 2nd Battlefield! Applying the Principles of War to the Battlefield of Business

May 26, 2019

Business is a brutal battlefield.

For Ben and Tim it’s their second battlefield.

In an episode requested by listeners, Ben and Tim reach deep into their camouflaged knowledge banks all the way back to their time at the ‘College of Knowledge’ (The Royal Military College (RMC)) – as they take a look at the applicability of the Principles of War to the corporate environment. 

As is mandatory for all lessons at RMC, they outline some Carl von Clausewitz theories before examining each of the ten Principles of War and how they can assist the campaigns we now mount on the ‘second battlefield’ – the cutthroat and unforgiving world of business.

As a special bonus, we even throw in an eleventh, unsanctioned (but, we think, very relevant) Principle of War. 

And along the way, we suffer through Ben misquoting numerous dead generals and failing miserably in his attempt to recite the Role of the Infantry.

Enjoy!

 

Intelligence Summary (INTSUM)

1:28 – Some fun facts on Carl von Clausewitz (1780-1831) can be found here: https://www.clausewitz.com/mobile/faqs.htm

 6:42 – Ben unsuccessfully tries to demonstrate knowledge. The correct reference was Horst Ritter and Melvin Webber coined the phrase ‘wicked problems’ in 1973, in their seminal work Dilemmas in a General Theory of PlanningSounds dry, but it’s actually a great read: http://www.sympoetic.net/Managing_Complexity/complexity_files/1973%20Rittel%20and%20Webber%20Wicked%20Problems.pdf

 9:00 – Richard Thaler was the 2017 recipient of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Science for his research into behavioural economics: https://www.chicagobooth.edu/faculty/directory/t/richard-h-thaler 

 20:41 – Ben is pretty much wrong again.  Von Moltke was a student of Clausewitz rather than a peer….

 27:39   – William H. McRaven, Spec Ops: Case Studies in Special Operations Warfare: Theory and PracticeA precis of the key concepts McRaven proposes in this book is contained here: https://www.amazon.com/Spec-Ops-Studies-Operations-Practice/dp/0891416005

 28:13 – The Australian 2ndCommando Regiment’s motto is ‘Foras Admonitio’, Latin for ‘Without Warning’:  https://www.army.gov.au/our-people/units/special-operations-command/2nd-commando-regiment 

 31:36 – More information on Robert Heinleincan be found herehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein 

32:49 – Again, Ben throws out another half-cocked, only semi-correct reference – it was actually General Omar Bradley who said ‘Amateurs talk tactics.  Professionals talk logistics

 

 

@RV6- On Two Andrews and SAS Band The Externals. Questions from Listeners

@RV6- On Two Andrews and SAS Band The Externals. Questions from Listeners

May 16, 2019

Welcome to RV6!

In this RV we reflect on the Tale of Two Andrews.... our interview with two federal politicians but NOT talking politics.

Then, we discuss the hidden aspects of the interview with original SAS band, The Externals. It is clearly more than beer and hard rock. What did they do when faced with a horrendous review from a music critic? How important were they to the SAS culture?

Then a listener's analogy of learning to drive v learning to lead. Do you like it? Do you agree?

How about a question on grand strategy?..... Do we/ would we ever question the government's decision to deploy the SAS. Are they always right?

Why doesn't the business world use the word 'honour'?

And lastly, that the SAS motto 'Who Dares Wins' seems reckless!

 

 

Bookmarks

00:43- Reflections on The Tale of Two Andrews... two politicians, no politics 

04:14- Reflections on The Externals.... Who Sings Wins.

09:10- Influence of The Externals music on Ben and Tim.

11:30- Leadership is like driving (an analogy)

14:25- What is the leadership simulator ?

16:09- On 360 degrees of leadership learning

18:16-  A question on grand strategy ... do we/ should we question government decisions?

20:30- The Charge of the Light Brigade: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45319/the-charge-of-the-light-brigade 

20:50- Dark Victory, Wilkinson and Marr: https://www.allenandunwin.com/browse/books/academic-professional/politics-government/Dark-Victory-David-Marr-and-Marian-Wilkinson-9781741144475 

22:05- Honour and Mottos .... Honour v Integrity.... why doesn't the business world use the word 'honour'.

25:55- The SAS motto 'Who Dares Wins' seems reckless.

32:00 - Our short story about The Externals song, 'I Don't Believe It'

From 33:34- Song...  'I Don't Believe It' by The Externals